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This is for all of you.
If someone tells you that your character isn't pretty or it hurts their eyes or it's too simple and it's 'unoriginal'-- screw them.  It's your character, not theirs.
I've been seeing a lot of deviants lately posting designing 'tips' for characters.  Yes, some of them are helpful but listing a bunch of color combinations that you don't think look good together discourages people from making characters that they may really enjoy.
I don't care if your character is a rainbow gradient with white spots--if you like it that's all that matters c:
So guys, don't let other people tell you how to draw or what to draw because that's just selfish of them.
Draw how you want, and what you want.
Don't let more popular artists, friends or anyone boss you around and sway you from what you like in order to please them<3

I know this is cheesy beyond belief, but,
BE YOURSELF GUYS.

~Secret
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Reyniki Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Well I personally don't like yellow on white characters simply because of color combination.

But if I don't like it, I don't go around telling people what to do and what not to do XD Its just another character, not everyone will like every single design that is on DA. So I just leave them alone Cx
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TylerMusselman Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This makes me feel so much better because I made a character on Saints Row 4 and for the base I used Rihanna. I changed a lot about her even her skin color but my brother was like " That looks to much like Rihanna." Or " Have fun playing as Rihanna." I only used her so it would look like my character could be a real person. 
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Ladycandy2011 Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I totally agree with you like I believe only give your tips or opinions if  the artists it self ask for it
other than that screw what they say, its all about what you want . Like I kno im not a great artist but whatever I make im proud of it.
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Aschiee Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ehhh I have to disagree at one point.
Because
Actually
Most critics aren't self centered pricks with no regard for people's emotions
Maybe some of them are but those are the people that you just ignore, delete, and bye-bye.
But most of them are only doing this to help.
They aren't trying to discourage you, it's just their opinion.
But here's how to tell the difference~

Harsh/Troll critics: May speak in all caps, have bad grammar, tells you it's bad but gives no example, doesn't tell you anything positive, tells you something's wrong, but gives no advice on how to fix it, etc.

Constructive criticism: Nice, open-ended, doesn't act like they know everything, gives helpful advice, negatives and positives are balanced tells you/critique implies that it's your choice to listen, etc.

So, yeah.
There are some people you should listen to and some you shouldn't.
It's that easy.
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SonikaCain Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014
You're on the wrong site.
A lot of the serious ones have migrated to tumblr, and if there was another art site that could match DA they would all be gone.

The parodies of this site have it down to a T.
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galateabellator Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
It's good to encourage others this way, and I love the optimism here on DA, but I have to disagree at one point.

In my opinion, the constructive critics are more than welcome when you want to help others to evolve while they are making a character, whether they draw and color it, or write about it. Of course, I don't talk about those people who are commenting only to insult the character, I am referring to those who want to help you by objectively seeing what you, as a creator, aren't able to see first-handed.

For example, the green hair might seem like a good idea to some, but it bothers others. This could be the issue of the genre, if the universe the character was created into was realistic, historical, medieval. But, if the Universe is fantasy oriented, and includes magical stuff, it's nothing unusual, and it's even expected in a way. I agree that everyone should follow that inner feeling when creating, and that no one should 'boss' others around, but certain creations don't make sense and that's why the artist or writer gets a negative feedback. Also, there are some rules in general design which are there to be followed, of course, if the artist or writer wants to make his creation decent. 

While I encourage others to express themselves, and make whatever they want to, I have this need to point at some things which happen to be 'Mary Suish' regarding the OC construction. Personally, I am a big OC fan, and creator of these - I write within certain universes (fanfiction is my domain) and I greatly appreciate an honest criticism when my character is leaning to be overpowered or too perfect. I am glad to hear what I made wrong in the process, what to avoid next time when I post a fanfic, and generally, to hear opinions of others... and that's why I post my creations on DA.

I hope I didn't offend you or anyone in the process, that wasn't my intention... I am just expressing my own opinion regarding the topic. This wasn't ill-intended. I also hope you forgive my long post. :) 
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NoahLKoopa Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Well said.
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WhatsIt-ToYou Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
Well, sorry for trying to provide feedback to help budding creators improve their characters.

Seriously.  Even as someone who rarely ever looks around on DeviantART, let alone gives feedback, this post is a metaphorical slap to the face.  Any reasonable critic, however apathetic they may seem, isn't gleefully skipping around just looking for a character to mindlessly shout down and brand as a Mary Sue.  Critics give feedback because they want to see a character succeed; their aim is not to oppress but to improve.  The "tips" they give are supposed to be critiques and pointers, designed to make the character more creative and interesting; and if they make a specific suggestion, that's just how they themselves would fix that issue.  If there's one thing that's true about characters, it's that there's more than one way to skin a cat; you don't have to do that to satisfy them, just effectively address the issue.  And if they truly didn't care, they wouldn't bother to say anything at all.

And perhaps you say that nothing matters except you enjoying your character.  Alright, fine.  If that's all that matters, if you don't care if anyone except you likes your character, then why did you post them on DeviantART for the world to see?  In my personal opinion, if no one besides you enjoys your character (Or any media, at that rate), you've done something wrong—but if for whatever reason you're fine with that, then please at least keep your character to yourself.
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smartrarityplz Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
Whatsit-toyou anyway?
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WhatsIt-ToYou Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
I actually laughed a bit at that.  Well played, well played.

With all due seriousness, though, what's it to me?  I like good stories; I like good characters.  I like the very idea of building characters, even.  I've seen good ones, and I've seen bad ones, and I applaud the good ones and try to help the bad ones along.  And the last thing I want is to have my critique, which is designed to be as helpful and constructive as possible, invalidated by stubborn people.
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212b Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Those are the people that don't deserve the help.
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WhatsIt-ToYou Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014
Speaking personally (And metaphorically), I believe that all convicts, no matter how iniquitous, have the right to a fair trial and an unbiased hearing.  That's why I still bother with them.
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212b Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree, that's why you still do it; but I'm saying when they don't take the help they don't deserve the help.
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Dream-Senpaii Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Student Writer
The point is characters are not to "win". Their CHARACTERS. WHAT ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO BE WINNING?
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WhatsIt-ToYou Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
I never said anything about winning.  Where are you getting that from?
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thefullmetalfangirl Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
that's not the point hes getting at. -_-   also skinning a cat!? that's... just... no just no.
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WhatsIt-ToYou Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
Then kindly explain what they meant when he said "screw them" regarding character critics.

And "more than one way to skin a cat" is an idiom referring to the fact that there are multiple solutions to just about any problem.
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thefullmetalfangirl Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
the "screw them" part is most likely referring to the self centered critics who show up, insult and then leave. and while most critics realize that not every one views it in the same light as them there are some who thinks every one views it the same and will put people down because the can't draw too well yet or its got a weird coulor scheme.
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WhatsIt-ToYou Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
I guess that's true.  I acknowledge that DeviantART has bad critics just as much as it has bad media to critique.  But I think that discounting all critique is unfair to the critics.  The last thing any of us need is an artist that isn't willing to listen to feedback.
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thefullmetalfangirl Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014
very true.
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KingDirty Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
Agreed. As long as it's constructive and helpful.
however many people around dA are just throwing in their two cents just to be dicks n be rude, giving no actual feedback or helpful knowledge on color theory, patterns, or anything that may actually help improve the character; I think that's what Secretzl here was aiming this journal at, not the actual helpful critique posted(Which is very little, especially when you're talking about the canine art community. It's either you fangirl over someone's art or you get verbally abused for not liking that person's work, be it good or bad. So really constructive criticism that is actually helpful is hard to find in this general community)
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CaptainQuirk Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
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Platike4ever Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
<3 Thank you.
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SkyheartPegasister Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I understand, but all I'm at least TRYING to do is to make people try to improve on their OCs. I see Mary Sue MLP OCs a lot.
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SunnyStar454567 Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Some people might not like it though do it if they ask you to not on your own becuase that make people not wanting to make mlp ocs and character becuase they afraid of people being rude and mean saying things they don't like ...
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SkyheartPegasister Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know. It's just... alicorn OCs. Everywhere. Though I respect your opinion.
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s--tars-and-stripes Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
//It's those kinds of people that really discourage me from creating OC's.
I actually have a sort of fear of creating OC's just because I don't want people to judge me and/or criticize them for being unoriginal.
But you know what I've realized?
It doesn't matter what everyone thinks.
If you want to create your character, go ahead and do it! Yes, people will bash them - it's natural. But go ahead and do it! They're not you. You''re you, and only you can decide what your character is like. Not them.
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melovedogs123 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
My char got on to before. (It was Goldbooms) I just asked the mod to remove it and she understood. She even approved of an adopt sheet I made.
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Grwltygr Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
Very Well Said.

As a "manufacturer" of creations in various artistic mediums.  Whenever I try to create something based on another  person's artwork I try my best to get as close to the original as possible but still I look at each piece as "this is my version." 

Yes I may be modelling it on something else and if I am too far off from the original others may look at it and just stand there blinking asking, "What the Heck?"

But it's still mine.  I may not be of the same caliber as the original artist.  I may be better, I'm probably worse.

We will never please everybody.

There will always be someone that does not appreciate the effort we put into our works.

I will always read all the comments to my own work, when I post it.

I will bask in any praise.
I will consider any & all _constructive_ criticism.
I will summarily file negative comments or destructive criticism somewhere, or print it and use it for toilet paper...

In the end I still feel it's my piece, I'm the only one that truly needs to be happy with it.

Again... Very Well Said Secret.
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Flowgirlfairyfan Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I haven't been getting that. But I agree completely.
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Flowgirlfairyfan Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
But, do Winx Club OCs count? I will admit that I put colors that don't go together in some people's eyes together. My favorite OC is a punk rocker, I turned her into a pony to see what she would look like and she looks cool.
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Flowgirlfairyfan Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Now I'm scared about my character Elsa Frozen Heart after reading the comments. I based her off of Frozen because I love Elsa so much. I'm lucky that I haven't been criticized about her, I've been told that she is pretty, cute and fashionable. I just hope she isn't called a "Mary Sue"
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colon-empire Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well as long as she doesn't look very similar to Elsa then there isn't a problem :) Being inspired from a character is a good thing! The only problem would be if she looked like a recolor of Elsa
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Flowgirlfairyfan Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I also have my character Anna Frozen Heart, who is Elsa's sister. This is her in her mythix: flowgirlfairyfan.deviantart.co…
They're supposed to be the actual characters in fairy forms, I'm not the only one who turned Elsa into a fairy though.
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Flowgirlfairyfan Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Here's a picture of her Bloomix; flowgirlfairyfan.deviantart.co… I haven't had any problem with her though, I've had her up for a month and she's only been called cute and pretty.
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colon-empire Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with her. Her and Anna Frozen Heart look just fine! ^^
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Flowgirlfairyfan Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's good. I thought I was going to have to take them down when I uploaded their Sirenix pictures. Now I know I don't have too. :)
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colon-empire Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Even if people thought they were Mary Sue, that doesn't mean you'd have to take them down :meow:
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BalloonPrincess Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
**Giggles!**

Dontcha know, we're all supposed to be a bunch of conformists, all marching to the same tune and liking everything the other likes?

Seriously though, I hear you there.  There's a lot of stuff out there I don't care for, but I damned sure have no right in telling people what to like or even how to do it.

Hang tough and be your own person.  :)
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fangirl-chan3 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
What if your creative juices are running low and your character ends up looking like a detailed stick figure? If someone insults it, then you can just say, "Shut up. I know already."
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danielflemming Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
I'm now writing my next novel, and people try to give me advice on it-which I appreciate the gesture, buuuut I really wouldn't change the plot from the stuff I already have in my head...people love to try and be part of a project. Writing / character creating should NOT be a group effort-it should be individual....group projects are the worst in my opinion. You have to 'use everyone's ideas' and I just think it messes with true creativity....
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dayahtheburners Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
couldn't agree more
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IIMikuruII Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Definitely epic truth! Heart 
i feel the same way .w.
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RavenShadow8294 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I was once called a bitch for having an OC that looked like another persons character. Thanks for this!
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cherrymeringue Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Sometimes you can see the jealousy.
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RavenShadow8294 Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
They didn't even have correct grammar, and they are apparently 25 years old....
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cherrymeringue Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I use correct grammar all the time, except when I'm talking to close friends, and I'm almost 13.
Shame for shame.
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AzurePonyArtist Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
that happened too.
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RavenShadow8294 Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Yup.
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ZalgoApplepills Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
Great advice! Tats amazin! U r amazin!
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